Part 24: Hopper Rouley and the Quest for Holes
Hopper Rouley and the Quest for Holes
The thread overwhelmingly voted that Hopper likes holes.


Write your own jokes about snakes in holes! Include Amma for bonus points!

I elect to leave, because snakes will fuck you up bad.

The alternative was to reveal that it was a magic snake and eat some curse power. We, uh, don't want that.

We get another curse prompt along the way, and I give in this time.

Fuck!


We keep trekking and get another event.


But what if she's really hot and wants you to mess with her hole?
I'm applying the last vote and checking that hole myself.




That gets us a skill point, and uh - that's it. No new instructions or buried treasure or anything. If you were expecting coherence, why are you still reading Ash of Gods?
I take the closest road to Ursus to get our plot on.




We have 5 skill points to put into Hopper. He doesn't gain levels based on XP, he gets skill points for eating curse strength and solving riddles.

We get to unlock his health-drain attack and his passive that gives him two attack when he kills any enemy.

Then he opens the first round of battle circular hitting these two bozos to death, getting a whopping +4 attack in the process. I'm not sure if the devs thought fighting 1 v World was supposed to be harder than getting an entire team of morons, but they buffed Hopper to compensate. Yea, he's an ancient immortal being or whatever, but these battles are a complete waste of time.

I will point this out. In Banner Saga you'd be totally fucked because you have no health. See that attack score though? it's 25 out of a starting 15. We end that battle one-shotting that bozo and not caring about the attrition mechanics. After killing those guys we get thrust into a dialog.


Because necromancers are usually one of the more powerful builds in fantasy games? Off the top of my head, 3e, 4e, and 5e D&D can all be busted wide open by various necromancer builds. They're also my favorite character class in RPGs, and I will almost never not be found in some RPG casting dark magic backed by a horde of skeletons.


Yea, remember when I said even Hopper was scared of our man Lo Pheng? I hope our main man comes back soon...














Remember these guys? They contribute!






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TheGreatEvilKing summarizes posted:
Hopper stab good. Hode sick. Thorn in jail. Enses bad. Time to visit Thorn.
We get another skill point and a chance to read more dialog from our party members. You know those three guys who are following us? Well we can have a chat with them for more delicious exposition! I kinda feel compelled to apologize for this update because not a lot happens, and I'm running out of jokes besides "ha ha look at all these fucking words".









TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
: Why are you staring at me? I'm not gay dude.
: I know about you and Coronzon. Specifically that he pushed you into the bell tower. He mentioned some shit offscreen and I told the prince, who thinks you're that wacky hag poisoning his dreams.
: I'm a wizard baron swordsman not a witch sir.


I'm out of stuff to say, but I mentioned somewhere in the thread that Fire Emblem: Three Houses does pretty much everything this game tries to do but better.

It has a cast about the same size of this game, but the character writing is extremely good and lots of time and care is given to all the characters in their support conversations.

Can you all tell me one thing about Stein? Where did we meet him? Why is he with us? Why do you care?

I don't think we needed all three of these guys for Hopper to bounce off of. I believe Bijou (one of the developers) is on record as saying that the writer inserted these guys to help characterize Hopper - but Hopper is going through all kinds of towns and villages and talking to people.

This here is supposed to be a major character moment for Stein - that he feels bad about being mindcontrolled into killing his friends - but I just don't care because up to this point he's been Pointless Guy #2 in cutscenes.

Oh look, the bell again. We've already had exposition on this from a few different characters.

I may do another post on this game vs Three Houses as a fair amount of the themes are similar and the choices in that game matter a fair deal. On the other hand, major Three Houses spoilers.
We'll see if anyone's interested.

Oh look, he's just like Krieger.
TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
: I got mindcontrolled by the Reaping and tried to kill my friends and it makes me really sad and I'm scared I might become a scary murderer man.
One more.



For being "the dumb guy" Ake sure gets to the actual questions of "what the fuck is going on" quite succinctly. There's actually some important info in here that I'm going to put together quite a while before most people playing this game will.


Honestly, just having Ake travel with Hopper would be enough. Ake is there to ask questions for the audience's benefit, the other two are rather meh. He's still not very interesting, but eh.


...you know, despite the Temple having laws, we haven't met one character in this game who actually shows anything like piety. Vai is a monk, but there's nothing in his demeanor or manner to show that he actually believes this stuff as opposed to just studying magic and taking the habit as a means to get sweet healing powers. It would be extremely interesting if the religion was something they all just paid lip service to and everyone knew about it but no one dared acknowledge it, but that is not in the game.


I literally fired up the game again because I thought I'd missed a screenshot here.

This we knew already. If you go back to the prequel with Amma they talk about how the Reapers are also Umbra, and they served the gods. I'll stop pussyfooting around this, Hopper, Amma, the Reapers, and the rest are all the "angels" mentioned in the OP.



Because Lo Pheng will kick his ass if he's not. Anyway...








We know Hopper's wrong because we saw that the Frisian armies are taking direct orders from Atraakh. Is he being deceptive? Hell if I know.

Who gives a fuck? He had one conversation with Thorn before Dorpkhal killed him.

That is not the cutscene I saw.
The beginning of the game posted:



Man is this plotline lame. The Reapers are supposed to represent Satanic evil I guess, but Milton's Satan is far more interesting than these guys. Their whole MO is to murder and steal to power healing stones for some as-of-yet unrevealed nefarious purpose, but the game's writing is just unable to stick the landing. Satan is evil because of his pride and desire for power. These guys are simultaneously both the cruel whims of an uncaring universe AND working for some greater scheme to do something which is somehow going to be worse than unleashing a genocidal plague to turn neighbor against neighbor. If we're being generous it's a satire of utilitarianism, but no one has said anything about "the greater good" yet so who knows. It's one of those really shoddy constructions beloved by genre authors to contrive a motivation for people to be evil instead of actually studying humans and coming up with a coherent motivation.
Just wait till we get to what's motivating the Enses.

How was this supposed to work anyway? Trobbel's old. Was he supposed to order Krieger and co to massacre the villagers? They had to be dragged into fighting their friends by Thorn and were showing obvious hesitation even when confronted with irrefutable evidence their friends were insane.




God damn is this phrasing awkward. I think he's trying to say that this is not a can of worms he wants to open, but yeesh.




Ok, last update I confess to dropping a bit of "wink wink nudge nudge" plot bullshit. We've heard this language before.
Remember Chila? posted:
Ok, yea, gold eyes, doesn't do the bidding of others, probably meaningle-
More Chila! posted:
: (Lowering his voice) She's no old crone, Hopper. Half the village is old women. I know all about them. Chila doesn't walk, talk...or even smell like one. The way she moves... it'd be the envy of any young lass. That is why I do not think she's human.
Huh, so she's like Coronzo-
We wasted 10 strixes on this fucking thing posted:
CHILDAO?
I'm gonna leave this here, but right now we know she doesn't want to deal with Hopper and wants everyone to go to Opacum. Why? We don't know yet. Have fun speculating!

Ugh, Thorn is escaping his own storyline now. Oh well, it's not like anything was happening in this one anyway.


These guys have been chasing Thorn all game.

So...Jerana rules all Berkana? I thought that there was at least Odalah in there. I don't understand this game's politics at all. If Thorn is a national hero, would the Odalans really hand him over just like that? Did I put more thought into this than the game's writers?




Audience participation! Can YOU find the grammar errors?

I admit to laughing at the top line. Also, we're Thorn again.









I gotta give it to Hopper he's an excellent cold reader.





This is literally the third Reaping ever. The last one was 700 years ago.

This game wants to explore this theme, but we could go read Nietzsche instead. Or hell, any ancient myths where everyone knew the gods were dicks but you kept your mouth shut so Zeus didn't zap your dick with lightning. You know what's a really good struggle with this? Elie Wiesel's Night, where the author abandons his faith in God after surviving the Holocaust and concluding that no God worth worshipping could allow it. Unfortunately, the only interaction we're going to get here is literally just Thorn ranting about it.

Of course, Hopper used to answer to the gods but manages to compare a genocidal plague and the death of Thorn's wife to a random idiot yelling "fuck." Real compelling argument there, buddy.

It's especially weird when we go back to the point that nobody believes in the gods. There was an old religion of Terminum, now banned, with a Christ figure who returned three times, but as far as I can tell the modern Temple is a bunch of sorcerers -with healing magic because D&D - who take orders from a Reaper in Frisia and an Umbra in Berkana, neither of whom mention the gods at all. The only Umbra talking about the gods is Amma talking about her old bosses. I think Vai talks about the Reaping being punishment for sins or something (a very Christian concept) but that usually comes with "if you follow these laws you don't get smote".


The what now?


Thorn Brenin literally has magic jizz. The game talks about it later, but yes - passing through the magic bullshit thing at the edge of the world gave him magic jizz that made Gleda special and that's why all the magic people want her in a hopefully nonsexual way.

Decisions lie before us!
What are we gonna have Hopper do?